Jff-no Kids Allowed???

If parents had more control over their children would not be an issue. You won't believe the compliments that I get over my children "they are so well behaved blah blah blah". Its like the looks I used to get when I'm boarding on an airplane and sit down everyone assumes my children will scream and cry the whole trip. I love proving them wrong!

I am a mom of 3 boys, and while my oldest, 2 1/2 is usually well behaved, he is no angel and sometimes it is embarassing how he acts. I feel there is nothing wrong with the ideas you mentioned above. think about the parents who are not only paying a babysitter to watch their children, but are also paying for dinner or a movie etc. they have paid to get out and have a time away from their kids, dont they also deserve to not have to hear other people's children??? I think it should be allowed.

Theres a time and a place for everything. It seems some parents have shown poor judgement as to what is and what is not a kid friendly environment, and therefore that's now being clearly defined for them. Catering to the childless, or parents that want to be in a kid free zone, is just capitalizing on a niche market. A growing niche, it sounds like.

I admit to being embarassed, showing up somewhere with my kids and realizing pretty quick that we are in the wrong spot. For example...I went to my nephews college graduation. After graduations we always go out to eat, usually a big chain like Chilis. On his day, he chose a quiet, elegant sushi place. I didn't know that until we arrived and didn't have my own car since we had flown in for the graduation. I was so embarssed. I wish there were a sign on the door, then my nephew would've excused me from the party.

I think this is more about parents' lack of common sense than it is about the children themselves.

A lack of common sense as a parent results in:
- Poorly behaved children
- Children with an undue sense of entitlement
- Bringing children where they are not traditionally welcomed (fancy restaurants, evening weddings, parent-teacher conferences, "adult" communities, etc)

I have had friends tell me that if their children are not invited to so-and-so's wedding then they will not attend. Really? What happened to putting your marriage and yourself (as a person, not just a mommy) at top of your priority list?

Here's my take on it... I would not take my son (who is well-behaved and respectful) anywhere that he was not welcome. These places include:
- Restaurants that do not have a published children's menu
- Evening parties, weddings, cocktail hours or any place where the focus of the conversation is adult
- ANYTHING where the invite read "Mr. and Mrs"
- ANYWHERE that the hostess' own children would not be attending

Come on ladies. Our kids are not the "boss" of us! If my son isn't invited and we want to go, we hire a sitter. If we can't find a sitter, we don't go- or one of us goes.

When my husband and I have the rare opportunity to go out to dinner and it requires me to wear high heels or that great low-cut top that only comes out twice a year, I don't want to eat next to a 2 yr old crawling under the table.

We don't go to movies anymore b/c they are expensive and people not only feel the need to leave their ringers "on", but the feel the need to ANSWER their phones in the movies! Not to mention the people who bring their young children to non-kid movies and talk to them through the whole thing.

Now if Chili's, Applebees, Red Robin or Fridays start banning kids... we're in trouble!

I think it is great! Yes, I have children. No they didn't always behave they are CHILDREN not mini adults.

Our society has gotten so mixed up in raising kids. Instead of disciplining them we "talk" to them. "Oh no, little Timmy, you can't blah blah blah. I am not going to try and reason with a 3 year old. I am also not going to put them in a situation that will not be good for them as well. Going out to eat at 8:00 p.m. is not in the best interest of my child. Same theme I have heard COMMON SENSE.

I was not there to win a popularity contest. I'm the Mom. It was called MOM LAW. Not open for debate, discussion or opinions.

My kids are 22 and 18. One is a senior in college the other is in basic training in the Army National Guard. So, I guess they turned out okay.

If more parents made their kids behave and have manners, this wouldnt be an issue. Unfortunately, manners and respect for others have gone out of fashion with parents today. I could take my kids anywhere, and if I thought that they were disturbing anyone, I immediately removed them from the situation. I support kid free zones. Maybe people will get the hint that their little princes and princesses aren't so charming!

I totally support it. I'm so tired of going out and having to hear children pitch fits while parents ignore their childrens behavior. I agree whole heartedly with Mary below, if parents would take more interest in their children and teach them how to behave and have manners rather than allow them to rule the roost this wouldn't even be an issue.

@ April : I'm for the ban where ever a proprietor says they want it. I believe it is their right to restrict whomever they choose from their facility. I mean children under 18 are banned from bars and clubs because it is not appropriate. Children are banned from strip clubs because they too are not appropriate. My feeling is that the problem goes deeper than parents not training their children proplerly but parents just not caring. I have no doubt that if the age restrictions weren't in place for the bars and clubs, some irresponsible parents would try to drag their children along so not to be inconvenienced on a night they had to "watch" the kids. How many times have I seen young children in a rated R movie because the parents wanted to go see it and drug the poor kids along. It's just wrong in my opinion. I have 3 very very well behaved children, but if a business doesn't want my kids in there, well it's their loss, I'm sure another business down the street would be happy to have my business along with my children.

I'm totally on board with certain restaurants having no young children policies. On the very rare occasion hubby and I get a date night I don't want to go out to eat and listen to someone else's kid cry, scream, jump around, yell, etc. If parents did a better job at teaching their children how to behave when they are in public you probably wouldn't be seeing these bans but so many won't take their screaming child out of restaurants, they let them run wild in stores and have tantrums. My kids know I don't mess around if they act up once when we are out we go home no matter where we are. The amount of times I've had to leave a public place I can count on one hand and my oldest is 9 so I don't think that's too bad.

Edited: can you all read? Whole foods has not banned children some of the stores simply offer childcare drop off so that if you want to shop without your child(ren) you have the opportunity. I've been to quite a few larger stores that offer that some walmarts included. Drop off childcare at grocery stores is no different than drop off childcare at the gym. I know I can shop a lot faster without my kids in tow and not because they misbehave but because they walk soooo slow which is why I shop during school hours I don't get that chance during the summer if whole foods near me offered childcare while I shopped you better believe I would take advantage it's not often during the summer for me to get a few minutes to myself.

I have two little ones who are well behaved and I am totally okay with the ban. For one, the places who ban kids will not be places we take our kids to anyway. I seek out family friendly establishments, otherwise I would be uncomfortable having my kids in there, as much for my kid's sake as for those around them. And, in the rare occasion that we have a sitter and get out for date night, well I don't want to be sitting next to someone else's kid when I just paid to leave my kid at home. I'm all for it. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all. :)

I think it's great--all the places where they are banning children make perfect sense anyways (why would someone take their 3 year old to a Harry Potter movie? That movie would be terrifying for a child). And children and upscale restaraunts do NOT mix!

*wow! I just read the response a couple up from mine, and i find it absolutely ludicrous to think that not allowing children into upscale restarants and on adults only cruiselines (that cater their entertainment to ADULTS!--NOT CHILD FRIENDLY, SO YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T EVEN TAKE YOUR CHILD ON IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!) is going to lead to every single person in the universe deciding not to have children. If you only had kids to tote them around and take them out to eat and to movie theatres, then it's already a pretty sad world anyways.

People are missing the Whole Foods point. They didn't BAN children, they set up CHILDCARE during certain hours so moms like me (with three kids and a hubby who's often not home to watch them) can get in and out peacefully.

I think that the need for a lot of this is poor parenting (no discipline), selfishness (but I really wanted to see that movie/go out for dinner but couldn't find a sitter), and intolorence (due to the above previously mentioned two).

I chose to have my kids, no one else chose to have my kids. If my kids aren't welcome, that's okay, no buisness from me until I am on an adult's night out. It may take 10 years to get there, but eventually, it will be done, and I probably will want to enjoy myself without a bunch of screaming, undisciplined, not paid attention to kids.

I would LOVE for all restaurants, planes, etc to offer a kid zone. Places where those of us with kids can go and relax knowing they are in a kid friendly and interactive place. I think that would go a long way and have a better reaction than making things kid FREE zones.

I think it's great for there to be options where adults know for sure children won't be underfoot. Not everyone loves children, not everyone can tolerate them very well, and not everyone should have to in every single circumstance. There are accommodations made in almost every situation FOR children these days, so a bit of respite FROM children seems acceptable to me.

I see nothing wrong with it.

I wouldn't young kids from G rated movies, but Harry Potter is PG13, young kids don't belong and when I, as an adult, pay $11 for a ticket, I don't need preschoolers yelling, crying, etc. If I went to see Cars II, I would expect it.
The restaurant, I think that's totally fine! Adults, whether they are parents or not, are entitled to an evening out without kids. A restaurant like McDains, where an appetizer is $8-10 and the entrees are around $20, is not a place I'd take young kids. I never enjoyed going to places like that, putting on a dress, paying $8 for a crabcake appy, $23 duck breasst and $7.50 for a glass of wine, paying for a babysitter for my own children and finding myself with a toddler at the next table shrieking or announcing "I have to do poops!" If they don't have a children's menu and high chairs, it's not for little kids. I would expect kid noises and behaviors at Friendlys, Applebees and the diner. As for there sometimes being occasions where you just can't leave the kids at home - many of us have had instances where we were not able to arrange a babysitter. Many of us have stayed at home on these occasions, rather than taking children to places that are really not appropriate for them. I don't really think that people need to be more tolerant of children being places that are not meant for kid behavior. "Have to bring them"? No one has to bring a young child to a nighttime movie that's above the child's rating, or to a fancy restaurant or casino, etc. - if you don't have a sitter, then you stay home. One of the sacrifices of parenthood means that you dont' have the freedom to go everywhere that you want at all times.

I think people used to make better choices about where and when it is appropriate to take children.

I have been in a movie theater at a 9pm showing of one of the Saw movies (highly graphic horror film that is almost too much for an R rating) and have a couple with their two kids sitting right in front of us. One of the kids cried through the whole film and kept saying "Mommy, I am scared!!" The mother and father ignored the child. (thinking about it now maybe I should have said something or talked with the management) I was there for a kid free girls night out and a few scares/thrills. I have also heard kids in many many movies that I think are totally inappropriate.

Who goes to a high end up scale restaurant with kids? If we go to one it is a very special occasion and it is a kid-free evening.

I think some people need boundaries set for them because they cannot make them on their own...they do not have good judgement on where it is or isn't a good idea to take children with them.

I do think first class being banned on planes is a bit much though...if you have to travel and can afford first class tickets then by all means go and buy a seat for all.

As with everything, some people can take something that is understandable, reasonable, perhaps even good, and then streeeeeeeeeetch it and manipulate it so much that it becomes stupid. (Child free grocery shopping? That's just daft!)
I am ok with places that are a little more exclusive (date restaurants), more bar or pub style places, or certain destination places deciding that children should eat elsewhere...at least during peak hours. (I remember going to nicer restaurants during OFF hours with my grandma to practice manners or whatever....after the main lunch crowd or before the main dinner crowd...I got the experience of eating at nice places and learning how to behave and handle multiple courses (etiquette and all that) but it wasn't at a busy time. But the grocery shopping, outside play, airplanes, those are NECESSARY and the person that is screaming that their "right to travel" isn't enjoyable is actually tap dancing on someone else's right, even need, to travel. A few words for them: shop later or earlier if you don't want to be social; turn your Matlock on a little louder if you don't want to hear children outside; and charter a private plane, your highness. The movie theater???? There have ALWAYS been "adult only" showings, without it being "official"---it's called, GO LATER. Hit the 9, 10, or midnight shows. People have stopped even TRYING to use common sense.
(*edited: the rest was a just a mini-rant so excuse that please...I deleted realizing I was a hypersensitive about it after our breakfast experience).
(**edited again: seems like the other 4 answers so far have only addressed restaurants, which again, I am ok with. but what about grocery shopping? playing outside? flying on a plane? a DAYTIME ban at a KIDS movie?--sorry harry potter nerds, but HP is a children's book that just happens to be popular with some adults). :)

I think kids should be banned from all rated R movies!! :) (Not for MY benefit!!)

I think a business has the right to ban kids. Everyone has the choice to eat/stay/play somewhere else. (Including people without kids who disagree with it.) If it is bad for business, they will lift the ban or go under! No lawsuit required.

I don't think there's anything wrong with child-free zones, times, places, etc. There are so many people out there who refuse to discipline their kids & then expect everyone else to love them just as much as they do. Wrong-o! I will come off as being the eternal grouch, but I'm going to be totally honest here & tell you guys a secret: I don't like kids. Well, not entirely true, I like my own just fine. I like my sister's most of the time. I like some of my friend's kids a good bit of the time. But that's really about it. I do not like to be surrounded by other people's screaming kids. I feel sorry for the parents for not knowing how to parent, I feel sorry for the kids for having parents who won't give them structure, I feel sorry for myself for being forced to be around them.

With all that said, I do think some of the items listed in the article are just plain silly. Grocery stores? Seriously? That's ridiculous. Condo's outdoor areas? Come on! They live there & pay rent or mortgage just like everyone else. Things seem to have a way of getting out of hand in our society. Not everything falls into the 'all-or-nothing' category & this is no different.

I think...and this is just MY opinion...that if more people actually made the effort to RAISE their kids, there wouldn't be a need for kid-free zones. I see people all the time ignoring bad behavior, not reprimanding their 'cute little Johnny' for knocking over a display in the store, letting thier 'sweet little Susie' scream just to hear her voice echo off the walls in the mall. Since when do others' kids have to be appreciated by us? If my kids touched things in the store, they had to walk with their hands in their pockets or ontop of their heads so they didn't touch. If my kids screamed, there had better be blood gushing somewhere or I'd give them a reason to scream! My kids weren't allowed to jump on the dining chair at the restaurant - so why should I be subjected to that from someone else's kid? I had a kid (about 5-ish) spit food that they didn't want to eat over the booth back while my kids were sitting there. Did their parents correct that? NOPE. Did they apologize for upsetting my seated kids who were eating properly? NOPE. They didn't even make their kid sit down. I had to tell him to sit down. Two tables over a 2-3 y o was squeel-screaming just to hear his voice. No one told him to knock it off. They didn't care it was bothering other patrons. If people actually taught their kids how to behave, we'd have no need for kid free anything. Unfortunately, with the types of kids I see today - I'm all for kid free.

It actually frightens me. To me it de-values children. It scares me to think that I am raising my child in a culture that does not wish to understand, make allowances for, or value her.

What really ticks me off is that everywhere you go there is noise, noise, noise, noise--from leaf blowers, construction equipment, people talking at double volume on their cell phones in the grocery store, TVs at the friggin gas station, airport, and pediatrician's office--and yet a time-limited upset by a toddler is deemed unacceptable and intolerable.

When we have been in India, Jamaica, and Nicaragua with our daughter the citizens of those countries did nothing but beam upon her and us. I think we would do well to take our cue from "developing" nations and start to value our kids as a culture, rather than trying to "ban" them.

I haven't read any other responses but it's about common sense. Who would bring their 4 year old to the last HP movie? It was a violent book and it will be a violent movie.

That's my 2 cents. The other day I read the article that AMomof 3 posted and it really disturbed me.

What other regulations do we just sit back and watch "them", whoever them may be, place upon us?
You can't take kids here or there
Can't smoke
Cant' walk on the grass,
Cant' play your music too loud,
Can't say bomb on an airplane
Can't say anything negative about anyone
Can't can't can't

Seems to me the society we live in is desintegrating but yet no one wants to step up and hold people accountable for their own actions.

Not all of our laws and rules are bad, some are quite good and promote healthy living and safety. Some are just because some group wants things done their way.

I think this shows two things (at least). 1. Parents are not disciplining their children which makes the children a burden to everyone around them. Nobody likes to be around a bratty child. 2. People in general despise children. They might be willing to deal with the one or two they are willing to birth, but have no time or patience for any other child.
Sad.

I am in agreement as long as the "ban" doesn't get carried away. You can't tuck them away from everything. Children are a part of life but as several posts have said common curteousy and appropriateness are important. I love taking our kids with us to different things but I also like having 1:1 time with DH. I have no doubt that when we put "Adult Reception" on our wedding invites we ticked off a few people how many years back...Oh well. I can't stand parents who get pushed over by their kids. No kid will ever be perfect but there should be reasonable expectations :)

I think parents who don't teach their children what is and is not appropriate and WHERE should be banned along with their kids.

Example: I was at the dentist's office with my son today, while waiting for him to be called back for his cleaning and consultation, in comes a boy with his mom. What does the boy proceed to do? PRACTICE DRUMMING. He had his sticks and his practice pad and away he went. I found it very annoying, but the staff didn't say anything and neither did his mother.

Now I by no means expect children to be completely silent anywhere. What I DO expect is common courtesy. And for parents to know when it's a great idea to take kids with you and when it's one of the WORST IDEAS ..... EVER. Any nice restaurant on Valentine's Day = a REALLY bad place to take young children. Why? because the wait is usually really long and children have short attention spans and smaller amounts of patience. And while they are waiting they have nothing to do but get hungry, tired and bored. NOT a good combination for a happy night for anyone.

When my kids were little we RARELY went out for the major holidays ON the holiday. I wasn't going to put myself, the other patrons or my kids through that. Day before ... day after ... yep all the time.

I am wholeheartedly for this. I think that if I go to the trouble of hiring a baby sitter, going through all the time and trouble of dressing nicely then I want to have a kid free evening.

We live on a fixed income so going out on a date with hubby is a big deal. The last time we did this the couple in the next seat, it had taller back booths for privacy, let their toddler stand up and play in the seat. She kept pulling my hair when she would put her hand on the back of the seat to pull herself up. It royally pissed me off and the couple were lucky I didn't yell and scream at them after I told them she was pulling my hair when she stood up. They didn't think she was hurting anything, she was being quiet and sweet. I told the waitress and asked to be moved but could not. We had a not so great time.

I will go to a restaurant that has this policy and choose "nicer" places like Perkins and Chili's when I want a family dining experience with the kids, that is if I can get away from McDonalds...LOL.

While they're at it, can we have some drunk-free flights, restauraunts and movies? I'd rather deal with an unruly child than an unruly drunk any day!

It is a shame that due to parents not being able or not choosing to discipline or make the decision to leave if their children cannot handle being around others in public, businesses are now having to make these rules.

There are just some places young children should not be forced to go to by their parents. But some parents are not bright enough to understand this or make this decision.

Children thrive on schedules. They also are children and need to be able to move around, to talk, to ask questions. They need to be kept busy and sitting in a nice restaurant, a live performance, an adult movie, sometimes even church quietly for an hour or more is just not a good idea.

If at home your child cannot watch a video for 30 min, 1 hour, or 2 hours, without talking, having to get up and walk around.. they do not need to go to a movie rated PG-13 or R.. or some of the above places. There is no reason to set them up to be frustrated or bored.

I live in Austin, Texas and we have the above mentioned Theater. Yes, it is great to attend a movie and not have people allowed to talk, text or children younger than six interrupting our movie experience. They will warn you , and if it happens again, you will be escorted out and no refund on your tickets or food. It is awesome. It is a group of serious movie goers.

On Tuesdays this theater has special showings for parents with infants and children up to any age to see the movies.. They allow strollers, blankets, diaper changing.. during the movie.. I think it is great, because the parents still get to see the movie , but do not have to worry about bothering others.

If parents would put themselves in their children's shoes and realize that expecting children to be little adults is not always possible.. It will depend on what type of day your child is having and how much the parents are ready to handle.. they would realize that their children can behave for short amounts of time.. but the natural attention span is 1 minute per year until they are about 6.. There are exceptions.. But why put your child in these situations?

hmmmm, NO! LOL! I mean there are already places that dont allow kids for good reasons, usually because of alcohol, workplaces, gyms, etc...

Ive trained my kids to be well behaved in public and i thinki deserve to bring them to the movies, grocery stores, places to eat etc....

isnt this discrimination against tiny humans?

this is such an interesting topic...

I agree with Melissa J...on a lot of what she posted. I also just don't really like most kids. I ADORE my own, and like my neices and nephews (most of the time). I don't mind observing others, and this has gotten better since having one of my own. But it seems like there is a large part of the parents out there that maybe don't have the time to worry about what they consider the small stuff. They want to "enjoy" their kids and so then try to be their friends. The end result is that the kids don't respect the parents as they should.

Reading through some of the other responses I found it interesting that it sounded like there was a lot of judging going on. That the parents are no good if their kids are brats. My son has had meltdowns in public, and I'm a really good mom!. This doesn't mean he's a brat. He could be tired, hungry, bored, and I just can't meet his wants at that moment. But when he does have a meltdown, I don't give him his way, but my way of dealing with him it to not give him attention either. The first thing I do is let him know I understand him ("you are so mad cause he want to hold/play/touch that _____. I'm so sorry you can't do that, but here look you can do this instead!") If that doesn't work, I ignore him as he's sitting in the cart at the grocery store crying. No I don't leave because I personally don't feel that's the greatest solution. It's not a bad one...I just don't feel that there's been a time when it's needed.

Looking at close friends and family memeber that have kids I have noticed that many of them want to take the easy road...they're lazy and think about how to parent right now...not the end result of their actions. For example, my BFF doesn't allow her kids to cry. What ever they want, when they want it they get it, if they cry for it. Her kids cry ALLLLL the time. Another friend is too lazy to cook meals for her kids, so they eat fast food 2-3 times EVERY day....ewwww. Her kids are rediculously picky eaters and won't eat "real" food. A family member had a son in diapers until he was 6 cause he just "wasn't ready". She didn't want to be the bad guy and teach him how to use it...instead she just waited until he was "ready" (taught himself). Same family memeber still has her 8 and 4yr old sleeping in bed w/ her and her husband cause she just can't stand to hear them upset by sleeping in their own beds. But are these things wrong??? NONONO...they're just not right for me.

I think there should absolutly be no kids are fine dinning during peak hours. There should be vacation spots w/out kids. No kids in their own backyard?? grocery store?? movies?? Don't really agree with that. Seems like it's taking it a little too far. The pulic needs to be able to comprimise. Where is this self serving lifestyle leading to?

I agree with some of these ideas because so many parents don't use common sense anymore. One of my pet peeves is restaurants. When my husband and I go our for our anniversary it is usually at a fancy, expensive restaurant. We leave our kids with their grandparents so we can go enjoy ourselves. What inevitably happens? We get seated next to someone else's rotten brats. Try as we might, we can't get away for some peace and quiet. So for certain places, I think a ban is fine. I'm even fine with adult only screenings of movies especially if they are not kid movies! You'd be surprised the number of idiots that take their kids to rated R movies. I do find it strange that the article mentioned Whole Foods. A grocery store ban on kids doesn't make sense.

Wow. It may be a testament to my own children's behavior...but I don't notice kids behaving poorly too often.
More often I notice adults behaving badly.
Especially at the movie theater-which is why I hate to go.
So when "they" start banning obnoxious people-count me in. ;)

Wow! I was really surprised at reading a lot of the responses. I figured there would be an outcry of anger, but most moms are looking at this rationally. As far as the restaurants are concerned, I totally see the point of having a kid free dining experience. My daughter is pretty well behaved, as in we don't have crying fits, food throwing, or yelling going on. She does like to wave at people and say Hi, and yes we are one of those parents that are constantly telling her to sit down and eat, because she is much more interested in being social than eating. The point is we keep her under control, if she is misbehaving, we leave. End of story.

I read about one restaurant that has a kid free zone. Just a small section that was almost completely separate from the main eating area that was for adults only. I think that is brilliant. You get your family customers and have an adult only ambience to.

I also agree that the whole concept can get out of control pretty quickly. I don't want dirty looks every time I bring my toddler to somewhere. There should be a balance of kid free zones and common sense among diners, movie goers, and....well people in general. If you go see Harry Potter, then yeah, expect kids there. If you go to a restaurant that says Kids Eat Free anywhere on the building, then yeah expect kids there too. If you go to a park guess what?! Kids are going to be there too...Shocking.

I guess some people think kids are like cigarette smoke.
Many of my childless tenants cant stand the noise.
Once again it's about someone's right to a peaceful enjoyment of something they are paying for, in this case they don't want the chaos of children.
Many people are choosing not to have kids, they are probably the ones that have promoted this idea.
It's just another case of a certain group of people being forced into being herded rather than having free range.
If there's money in it, it will work.

I think its age discrimination and I would love to see it challenged somewhere some how. Could you IMAGINE the stink it would cause if a restaurant banned old people because they are annoying and can be obnoxious.

Also-do a board search. This topic was covered in depth when the Pgh restaurant first banned kids.

We have a few 21 and over theaters in town that serve alcohol, let the kid haters go there! I hate cigarettes and don't think animals should be allowed as many places as they are, so why should somewhere ban my kid? At least my kids don't smell or poop on the ground! Ugh...I understand that some kids misbehave in public, and I do try to avoid going to nice, crowded, or quiet places with my kids, just as they should avoid chuck e. cheese! Or we have a few restaurants that allow kids until 9pm. That works too.

And I like Pamela's idea abour creating kid zones in businesses rather than labeling them kid-free zones.

Geez..I feel sorry for people who don't like children, even the bratty ones have their sweet and funny moments that these people miss out on!

I dont think kids belong in upscale restaurants. I would like to see a grocery store try to kick my kids and I out. Its completely ridiculous. Im sorry, but if I need groceries, I will go when I want. And thanks for the heads up, I will never shop at Whole Foods. And if I paid for a first class airline ticket for my kid, it shouldnt be anyone elses business. Just like the movies, if you dont like kid movies, dont go! An outdoor area?????!!! Those are fightin words! I think its going a little far!

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What about all of the loud obnoxious adults? Why is no one talking about banning them? Or the people that scream in to their cell phone? It's expected that kids will misbehave at times, but adults? Well there is no excuse for their behavior. I can see banning kids for certain things like upscale resturants or late showings of movies. If I'm paying a lot of money for a dinner I really don't want to hear screaming kids, and for movies I wouldn't mind since you shouldn't be bringing a little kid to a late night movie anyway. What I find complete BS are the people who want to ban them from places like grocery stores. Not everyone can find childcare just to go grocery shopping, and we shouldnt be forced to take our kids along during certain hours that are not convienient to us. If someone is that offended about a kid crying in a grocery store, then they have bigger problems. What about all of the well behaved kids? Even the best kids can act up at times. Does that mean that they are bad kids or that the parents don't ever displine them? No, it just means that they are behaving like kids. The only thing that I get annoyed with is when you have kids throwing a complete tantrum, and the parents do nothing to stop it

I have kids I love my kids and my kids are good kids BUT all kids get restless and whiney. I hardly ever have my kids somewhere i am not even if its going out to eat. I know they can be a distraction and i understand that not everyone wants to be around kids. No i am not happy people are banning kids from places but that just means those places will completly lose my business. If my kids are not welcome neither am I. I am not in an uproar over it and i wont make a "stink" about it but they will lose my business. Let me tell you, there are people that feel like i do and there are people who dont the ones who dont will comtinue to go to those places. So yes they will still have customers but they wont have as many as they did before. (in my opinion)

I have mixed feelings. There is nothin worse than paying a sitter for a nice night out and getting stuck at a table next to a screaming child. We always remove our children if they are disruptive but this isn't the norm. That said, you shouldn't go to a kid friendly restaurant and expect a quiet meal. I often have sai that instead of smoking and non smoking sections, restaurants should offer family section and non kid seating options. It would be nice if restaurants also had a supervised play area the tots could go to while the parents could relax and enjoy their meals.